Showing posts with label Robert (b. circa 1713). Show all posts
Showing posts with label Robert (b. circa 1713). Show all posts

Thursday, 19 November 2009

Banham

There are no GILBERTs (or any similar spelling) listed in the records for Banham, Norfolk prior to 1733. I checked the Births / Christenings 1654-1724, Marriages 1654-1730 and Burials 1652-1723. The Parish Register dates from 1558. Though there are Gilberts in the wider Norfolk region, any link at this stage would be too tenuous. (This is where DNA testing might provide a link.)

In 1733 a ROBERT GILBERT (b. circa 1713) probably came from, we know not where, to marry SARAH ENGLISH (b. circa 1713) in a small village south of Norfolk called BANHAM. Banham is in the triangle of the market towns of Attleborough, Thetford and Diss.



Map showing the position of Banham in relation to Thetford, Attleborough, Wymondham, Norwich and Diss

At that time drovers came from all over England, Wales and Scotland to sell to the Norfolk markets, as did fishermen sailing the east coast. Between the 11th century and the industrial revolution, Norwich was England's second city to London. It is said that the area benefitted from the prosperity which came from the flourishing woollen industry in the16th and 17th centuries. Despite markets being held nearby, Banham had its own weekly market even having an annual fair for horses, toys, etc (still recorded in 1845 as being held on 22nd June).

There are Gilberts in Cornwall, the Midlands, you name it but, usually in the early 1700s, one family, as we find in Banham. So far not a clan that could give us clear links to that 'first' Robert in Banham.

The prevalence of the name Robert in the family, led my grandfather, ALBERT (b.1904), to speculate that our ancesters were originally Scottish, but he also put the black curly hair and engineering traits down to a Cornish link. A Scottish friend of mine pointed out that the name Robert was Norman French and was adopted by mixed Scottish-Norman families in honour of Robert I of Scotland (aka Robert de Brus, aka Robert the Bruce). Adding to this the Norman origins of the name Gilbert we could be looking at  Norman French roots. It would be very tidy though if we could be linked with that 13th century ROBERT GYLEBERT of Norfolk mentioned above, this would show that Robert was a long established family name and our ROBERT (b. circa 1713) was not a long distance immigrant.

I visited Banham in 1997 whilst in Norfolk to study the Parish records. At the time the gravestones around the 14th century parish church were removed for cleaning, logging and re-positioning so I couldn't use them as a reference. (This source needs to be followed up). I decided to see if any of the buildings I had found on the tithe maps and parish information were still standing, as the centre of the village was mostly unchanged. I only had a few hours in Banham due to the country bus timetable so just photographed and wrote down what I came across.  It wasn't until I got home (and since in writing this up) that I realised what an amazing treasure trove of information I had accumulated in such a short time.

The Banham Gilberts 1700-1764

The first mention of the Gilberts living in Banham is in the baptismal register for 1734 where the children of ROBERT GILBERT(b. circa 1713) and SARAH (b.circa 1713) are listed. Assuming that ROBERT and SARAH married at the age of 21, they would have been born circa 1713.

ROBERT and SARAH appear to have had 3 sons and a daughter;

  • SAMUEL (baptised 15.2.1734) who married SUSANNA and had 6 or 7 children of whom at least 3 died in infancy. There appears to be no further information of the male line after 17771. They could have moved to SUSANNA's family village.

  • On 26.10.1789 a SUSANNAH GILBERT marries JOHN TAYLOR 2.also of Banham.This is witnessed by LYDIA GILBERT and WILLIAM GATHERCOTE 3.

  • JOHN (baptised 11.10.1737) who I believe married MARYand had a daughter SUSAN who was buried 22.4.1750 at Banham. The lack of records of their marriage may indicate that Mary was from another village. There is no further mention of this line after 1750 so again they may have moved to a neighbouring village.

  • ROBERT (also baptised 11.10.1737). This Robert married an Isabel 4. COWELES in October 1763 and may have had 5 or 6 children 5. One of the witnesses to their wedding is JOHN TAYLOR who may be related to (or may be) the John Taylor who married SUSANNAH Gilbert (b. circa 1769) in 1789. In 1768, ROBERT (bap. 1737) is described as a Freeholder in the Norfolk Poll so would be a landowner and have some standing in the village. He is my ancestor.


1.   Sarah born 7.9.1764, baptised 10.2.1773; Susannah born circa 1769 and married John Taylor 26.10.1789; James baptised 30.12.1772 and buried 19.12.1772; James baptised 10.2.1773; Samuel baptised 13.3.1774; Elizabeth buried 6.11.1776 and another Samuel born 27.3.1777 and baptised 2.4.1777. One of the Samuels was buried 1.5.1777. It would make sense that it was the second one, the first one's death having not been recorded. All were born, baptised and buried in Banham.

2.   The Kenninghall, Norfolk records show a THOMAS TURNER being baptised at the age of 25 on 16.7.1837, son of LYDIA GILBERT born circa 1768 married to JAMES TURNER of Keninghall. The Kenninghall connection may be worth following up and those Parish records checked out.

3.   A WILLIAM GATHERCOTE is also a witness at the wedding of ROBERT GILBERT to MARY KENT on 21.9.1789.

4.  aka ARABELLA circa 1766 and ISABELLA 1770 and 1781, but pretty sure its the same person.

5.   Six children if SUSANNAH is his and not SAMUEL and SUSANNAH's.